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Good to hear from you. Sounds like you're really beating yourself up over
this. Remember, there's so much we can't say yet. And we have almost a
month to go until we really get started. Patience is the watchword.

A thought about chaos and art: Pablo Picasso and John Coltrane are both
well-known for their chaotic, almost non-sensical art. But remember that
they were both absolute masters of their respective established forms
before they ventured out into their own territories.

For a Coltrane comparison, compare Miles Davis' All Blues with the
Coltrane quartet's Sun Ship or Coltrane's work with Rashied Ali on the
album Interstellar Space. He sounds like two or even three different
musicians, but in his mind, he knew exactly where he was headed, because
he knew all the basics. Feet on the ground, head in the clouds, if you
will.

Picasso you can find at the library. Look for a comprehensive biography,
not a cubism primer.

I suspect that by the time you get to designing the Kings and Queens, if
you so choose (love the roses card, by the way, I'm jealous), you will
yourself be straining against whatever standard form you may have stepped
into. That only comes through patience and practice. Chaos from the rote.
Innovation is the improvement of the existing. Otherwise, it's just a
mess.

--
2D

Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy
them that hate me.
Psalm 18:40

On Tue, October 16, 2007 3:47 pm, Andrea Jones wrote:
> :D
>
>
> Okay so I'm really mad at myself for even thinking of the ALICE theory
> because it made it harder on me and is probably only even making you angry.
> I can understand why chaos and art are so hard to differentiate
> because artists are so STRANGE and chaos is just... designed to make it
> harder to see.
>
> I keep going back and forth and that's not fair. I think I'm just done
> putting you guys in these labels, and that's just not fair to you.
>
> So, you're not chaos or art or info or love. You're a person and I would
> really love to talk to you.
>
>

Oct. 14th, 2007

More card stuff.

The Next Step

Ace of Clubs

A- New Beginnings
Clubs-Ambition-Power
Aries-Self
Leo-Creativity
Sagittarius-Learning

Success

Ace of Hearts

A -new Love
hearts-emotions
Cancer-Home
Scorpio-Sex
Pisces-Dreams

New Love

Ace of Spades

A -new experience
spades-difficulty
Gemini-Mental
Libra-Choices
Aquarius- Disruptive

Death

Ace of Diamonds

A -potential
diamonds-stability
Tauras- Practical
Virgo- Logical
Capricorn -Methodical

Financial Aide

Two of Clubs

2- passive energy
Clubs-restlessness
Aries-Adventure
Mars-Aggressive

Cross Roads

Two of Hearts

2- cooperation
hearts-compassion
Cancer-Intuitive
Venus-Love

Devotion

Two of Spades

2-communicative
spades-constricted
Libra-Inconsistant
Moon-Reactive

Great Tension

Two of Diamonds

2-balance
diamonds-foundation
Capricorn-Determined
Jupiter-Over Expansion

Flexible

Three of Clubs

3- growth
clubs-drive
Aries-Aggressive
Sun-Drive

Next Step

Three of Hearts

3-teamwork
hearts-sharing
Cancer-Nuturing
Mercury-Messanger

Rejoyciing

Three of Spades

3-team building
spades-destructive
Libra-Inconsistant
Saturn-Cautious

Cheating

Three of Diamonds

3-growth
diamonds-foundation
Capricorn-Achieving
Mars-Motivation

Recognition

Four of Clubs

4-stability
Clubs-adventurous
Aries-Self
Venus-Indulgence

Time Out

Four of Hearts

4-walls
hearts- emotionalism
Cancer-The Past
Moon-Unaware

Devine Discontent

Four of Spades

4-rigidity
spades-stifling
Libra-Procrastanating
Jupiter-Expansivness

Time To Heal

Four of Diamonds

4-rigidity
diamonds-rigid
Capricorn-Materialistic
Sun-Prideful

Miser

Five of Clubs

5-assertive
Clubs-energetic
Leo-Glorification
Saturn-Restricted

Glitches

Five of Hearts

5-challenge
hearts-gentle
Scorpio-Paranoid
Mars-Aggression

Betrayal

Five of Spades

5-antisocial
spades-confrontational
Aquarius-Perverse
Venus-Superficial

Limitations

Five of Diamonds

5-adventure
diamonds-rooted
Taurus-Self Indulgent
Mercury-Messanger

Hardship

Six of Clubs

6-harmony
Clubs-take charge
Leo-Courageous
Jupiter-Principles

Advancement

Six of Hearts

6-transition
hearts-nurturing
Scorpio-Brooding
Sun-Consciousness

Hindsight

Six of Spades

6-peaceful transition
spades-disruption
Aquarius-Independent
Mercury-Travel

Moving On

Six of Diamonds

6-charity
diamonds-gifts
Taurus-Methodical
Moon-Visionary

Regaining Losses

Seven of Clubs

7-faceing obstacles
Clubs-power
Leo-Overbearing
Mars-Hostility

Determination

Seven of Hearts

7-self discovery
hearts-hopeful
Scorpio-Sexual
Venus-Romance

Careful Decisions

Seven of Spades

7-clarity
spades-blockage
Aquarius- Perverse
Moon-Deception

Evasion

Seven of Diamonds

7-self discovery
diamonds-need to build
Taurus-Possessive
Saturn-Cautious

Difficult Decision

Eight of Clubs

8-power & movement
clubs-quick moving
Saggittarius-Straight
Mercury-Adaptable

Moving Ahead

Eight of Hearts

8-progressive
hearts-desires
Pisces-Insensitive
Saturn-Burdens

Abandon Hope

Eight of Spades

8-movement
spades-repressive
Gemini-Spontanous
Jupiter-Unrealistic

No Win Situation

Eight of Diamonds

8-progress
diamonds-structure
Virgo-Work
Sun-Creative

New Profession

Nine of Clubs

9-culmination
clubs-challenges
Saggittarius-Careless
Sun-Vitality

Final Stages

Nine of Hearts

9-cumulative
hearts-thankful
Pisces-Visionary
Jupiter-Abundance

Dreams Come True

Nine of Spades

9-letting go
spades-restricted
Gemini-Mental
Mars-Hostility

Self Abuse

Nne of Diamonds

9-attainment
diamonds-security
Virgo-Analytical
Venus-Vanity

Sstisfaction

Ten of Clubs

10-too much energy
clubs-ambitious
Saggittarius-Phobia
Saturn-Struggle

Inability to Cope

Ten of Hearts

10-expansive
hearts-loving
Pisces-Sensitive
Mars-Self Projection

Permanence

Ten of Spades

10-finality
spades-elimination
Gemini-Insubstantial
Sun/Moon-Hidden

Realistic End

Ten of Diamonds

10-abundance
diamonds-stability
Virgo-Routine
Mercury-Adaptable

Permanence

Jack of Clubs

J-close friend
clubs-restless
Saggittarius-Judgemental
Mutable-Destructive
Fire-Cleansing

Opionated

Jack of Hearts

J-lover
hearts-sensitive
Pisces-Sensitive
Mutable-Changing
Water-Smooth

Moddiness

Jack of Spades

J-bad habit
spades-deceit or spite
Gemini-Distracted
Mutable-Destruction
Ice-Cold

Variety

Jack of Diamonds

J-money oriented
diamonds-Aquire
Virgo-Self Effacing
Mutable-Changeable
Earth-Slow

Indicisiviness

Queen of Clubs

Q-Goals & ambitions
clubs-passion
Leo-Dramatic
Fixed-Preservation
Fire-Haste

Limits

Queen of Hearts

Q-connection
hearts-emotional
Scorpio-Passionate
Fixed-Preservation
Water-Gentle

Jealousy

Queen of Spades

Q-worriers or widow
spades-problems
Aquarius-Perverse
Fixed-Preservation
Ice-Frozen

Friction

Queen of Diamonds

Q-juggles
diamonds
Taurus-Unimaginative
Fixed-Preservation
Earth-Slow

Inflexible

King of Clubs

K-in charge
clubs-power
Aries-Independant
Fixed-Preservation
Cardinal-Creation

Explosive Temper

King of Hearts

K-connection
hearts-emotional
Cancer-Tenacious
Water-Smooth
Cardinal-Creation

Posessive

King of Spades

K-judgment
spades-problems
Libra-Impartial
Ice-Stalled
Cardinal-Creation

Judgements

King of Diamonds

K-finances
diamonds-security
Capricorn-Responsible
Earth-Slow
Cardinal-Creation

Determined

Conversation with Porno Perfect Rob

Tears were never shed for me. And Athena? She's in good hands.

I love you, Rob. May the Korp treat you well.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: PoRnO pErFeCt ROB
Date: Oct 11, 2007 2:34 PM


Regret? Regret is a wasted emotion, why regret it when you can embrace it. I feel for you fallen soul child. No more tears will be shead on your behalf, or your prized Athena. I leave you, I have spread the word, you will come to conclusion sooner or later that that Monotone in the walls of the Korp will save your life. The Korp will live, rebellion will fall.

Long ... Live ... The ... Korp

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Anonymous Loli
Date: Oct 11, 2007 2:28 PM


They wouldn't take me anyway. When I was trying to infiltrate them they completely ignored me. So... whatever.

Burning corpses? Sounds delicious. Seeing as I'm going to hell, I'm sure I'll get used to it.

Do you regret joining up with Korp?

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: PoRnO pErFeCt ROB
Date: Oct 11, 2007 2:25 PM


There are things deeper then what meets your eye child. I had no choice, once the walls come down on you there is no stopping them, no escape. I serve because I have no choice. There power is far greater then what some citizens see. Once they have their grip on you, its is less painful to give in, to give up. The smells of burnt corpses are far more sickening then the smell of burnt art. I am sorry child, but give in, become a Shadow, adandon your prophet. Live in the freedom of the walls of the Korp.

-The Shadow

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Anonymous Loli
Date: Oct 11, 2007 12:49 PM


alskjdlaksjdaksjd No. It's just not cool to burn down a warehouse with ART. Regardless of who owns it, it is absolutely despicable.
If they think it is right to destroy art, then they have a huge enemy in me and I'm not fun to deal with.

Tell me more about you. Why were you chosen as their messenger?

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: PoRnO pErFeCt ROB
Date: Oct 11, 2007 12:46 PM



You are wise child. We find freedom in the walls we call home. To the topic you made of the Korp burning property. This is a very common misconception. For what you see as fires of hatred and scorn, they see as natural selection
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Anonymous Loli
Date: Oct 10, 2007 1:57 PM


I want to make my cause my own. I don't want my cause to be a search for power. I am charismatic, a natural born leader, I have power without working at it. I don't to be told how to talk or walk. The Korporation restricts me, while Athena allows a lot more freedom to learn and understand on my own.

Ask your Korporation why they burn down their buildings, if not out of fear? What do the cards hold that would cause such rage as to destroy property?

We always need a bad guy, Rob, and I commend you for playing it. I fell in love with the cards too fast to really experiment with sides. I suppose, in that, you are just a bit stronger than me.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: PoRnO pErFeCt ROB
Date: Oct 10, 2007 10:37 AM


How blinded can you be child, things CAN be more then they seem. You dont think that a prophet can be masked as a citizen. Watching you? Testing you? I hide in the comfort and serenity of the Korp. Why do you trust this Athena? Dont you understand, this is MUCH bigger then you or I. The times will change, the world will change. You cant imagine the answer to the "Secret". Please child, seek serenity, seek salvation, security, and a sense of false freedom. There is more to the things your mess in, a greater cause. . . Long live the Korp

-The Shadow
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Anonymous Loli
Date: Oct 9, 2007 1:03 PM


(Snip, I was just being an ass)

I believe all of what I hear, at all times, and judge whether or not it's BS later.

I'm on my feet. Whose are you stepping on?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: PoRnO pErFeCt ROB
Date: Oct 9, 2007 11:07 AM



The Korp is true, the one guide to the answers, its secrets are our blessings. I have been chosen as a speaker, a secretary for my loyalty. The Korp will never fail you, if you never fail it. Athena is a warped version of the Korps creatings, a copy cat, and a false one at that. Only believe half what you hear, there is a false prophet among us. Stay on your feet child, and keep your eyes open. Spread my message to your peers, the Korp is alive.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Anonymous Loli
Date: Oct 8, 2007 3:27 PM


:) Thank you for your thoughts. However, I would think the time for judging would rather be 11/11, or at least a date closer than a month away from then?

What is it that you like most about the Korporation?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: PoRnO pErFeCt ROB
Date: Oct 8, 2007 11:13 AM


Dont follow Athena, or follow the ones who follow her. All of those associated are fake, take heed sister, the Korp is at hand, and the ladder is breaking. The time to judge has struck the hour.

-The Shadow

The last card we will meet

Will probably be the Ace of Spades.

http://www.psywarrior.com/DeathCardsAce.html

That card is known as a death card, so the death of the game.

Oct. 8th, 2007

Was anyone else really bothered by the anime image in 2S's page? I certainly was. Well, I think I finally figured whether she was art or chaos.

Because the original place to find the image, and the only place I could certainly, was found on DEVIANTART.

Deviantart, of course, being a well known art site.

Oct. 4th, 2007

The only question I have left about M:TA is, is that all this Silverladder business about? I see no Alice imagery in M:TA. I see no Snow Queen imagery. I see nothing about playing cards, or strange art websites. At first I felt triumphant, I felt as if I had the answer. I seem to have only found another question to replace it... Is this really it?

This is more based on M:TA than anything else we've seen it based on. The whole premise is based on the Silver Ladder group! But still, there IS other imagery.

I don't think this is viral marketing for the White Wolf (nice way to slip that in, by the way. When I saw the company, I instantly connected it with the bulletin) or M:TA. None of the players on the board seem to have known about it, because I seem to be the first one to post about it.

It seems our puppetmaster was a fan. I'm betting on that being all.

More from M:TA

http://www.nocturnis.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13164&st=0&p=244331&#entry244331

This is probably a player of the game. But I found some of his phrases interesting.

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